Why You Should NOT Do Deadlifts (Response to Joe Rogan | Robert Oberst) – OmarIsuf

For bodybuliders doing them. They are just stupid.

Deadlift is for pussies

Robert Oberst wasn't entirely accurate in his statements, but there was some truth that powerlifting (1 rep max) deadlifting is inherently dangerous.

It is true that powerlifting has a high incidence of injury because of pushing your body to a one rep max with high loads, and power deadlifting has probably the highest incidence of injury compared to the squat and bench press. This is typically because the lift starts from a dead/unloaded position, in which, the posterior chain is stretched out. This is analogous to setting a barbell loaded with weight on your chest, trying to get your arms under the bar then begin the lift from that start position, or with the squat, starting with the bar at ass-to-grass height, getting under the bar into that starting position then beginning the press from the hole. So clearly what he said is accurate when he said that powerlifting deadlifts is dangerous, but weightlifting, or rather, olympic weightlifting, is much more dangerous, and it probably has a higher incidence of injury because not only is the lift a maximal effort, not only are the lifts all beginning with a deadlift, but the motions are explosive and ballistic where the lifter is literally throwing weights and catching them in the air, and for the case of the snatch, a single miscalculation can snap bones, which does happen in competition. 

The difference between his college (resistance) training and his powerlifting training is the college training involved sub maximal lifts at higher rep counts. Likewise, someone should definitely include deadlifts in their training, but it is best to do it at sub maximal levels and at higher rep counts like his college lifts. The other technique is to not do a deadlift, but rather, do a deadlift motion. Meaning, start a deadlift like a person would start their bench press or squat–do it from a loaded position. This means someone would start the lift from a standing position, and they would never relax their muscles or set the weight on the ground. They would continue to do reps, trying not to bounce the weight off the ground, so they perform good reps. This would be the safest way to deadlift. If they have the flexibility in their posterior chain then they can do sub maximal deadlifts from the ground, but this is only done to add some variety and functional training to someone's routine, but for resistance training, all someone would need to do is a standing deadlift. For sport specificity, even lighter sub maximal reps of power clings and snatches could be done, a la, crossfit, high-rep style to develop more functional training, flexibility and ROM.

Dudes look like a Suicidal Tendencies cover band minus the Black guy.

Deadlift progression
1 Single leg deadlift Kettlebell or Dumbell(Kettlebell Swings)
2 5ft>6ft>7ft barbell only form high reps
3 Barbell Calf Raises>Deadlift w/ weights

So many people offering their response to Rogans video. But they all miss the point , deadlift loads the spine, so you have to screen whether the spine can have totall movement in each individual disc. What I mean by this is, can you have movement in each individual disc . The spine has to be able to extend fully and stay rigid. This requires training in specific exetcises before you start deadlifts. Cat cow, superman, quadreped, plank, all.should be practiced a few weeks before embarking on deadlift training

With the comment of S&C coaches that’s why I’m super thankful I had a real Olympic lifter and we literally didn’t put weight on any of our lifts for a whole month. We did front squats, cleans, deadlifts, and snatches all with a pvc pipe.

Pretty sure deadlifts fucked my hips and pelvis. Still recovering like 3 years later from how badly it fucked up my posture.

Alan sounds like Bryan Shaw with this “throat injury”. I’m slightly suspicious

Is that Brian Shaw in the back?

He making an argument that freak athletes in the nfl didn’t need no weights….well I not a freak athlete, neither are you

I find the menace of the deadlift is its simplicity…
Because it's simple- the perception is you can go to failure- with the worst case scenario- dropping the bar with no risk of injury- as say opposed to being crushed under the squat- or strangled under a bench press…
This is why I believe we see a great deal of injury with deadlifts- people simply push it further- to the limit and beyond- with crazy poor form…

I was able to grab a deadlift with good form almost immediately. It took me years to get to a decent squat form. And I’m still not there.

For me is the best exercise in the gym

Well spoken gentlemen

Jerry rice want fast bro

imagine critiquing statements about strength training by the actual strongest man in the world

Deadlift is a fad with new ppl to weight training
Why not just do a balanced amount of lifts from all different angles and grips. BALANCE
Like a farmer or labourer do a variety , too many people focus way too much on deadlift

"Just do it properly," in a world where there is no such thing as perfect, all the time, every time? What is the real structural integrity of the materials in my back? Nobody knows, and there is no physician on the planet who can tell you that and translate that to how much weight in a perfect deadlift can be successfully lifted without compromising said structure and material. Your back is not like a bridge where corrosion and what not can be examined and the homogeneous structure and density is know in advance. Take that and realize that when deadlift induces an injury it's instantaneous there is no time to unload to minimize damage. Then take that and realize the difference between a should injury and a L5 or worse, SI separation is I can still load a dishwasher with the shoulder injury, there is not getting comfortable with a back injury the deadlift can give you. It's risk mitigation, that's what Oberst said and this is what he meant. The risk is discovered in a manner that is unlike most other exercises, and it's severity is again potentially the greatest pain one can endure. At least with the squat, the kinetic chain is not nearly as compromised and weak when the load is applied sure still dangerous, but there's usually time for warning signs to present and tell you, something is going horribly wrong. I'm speaking from experience, which none of these people have. They haven't been able to avoid it because they do the movement perfectly every time, they have avoided because they haven't failed to do the movement perfectly on time where it was enough to destroy them. That's how this works, it only takes one time to fuck this up in world where conditions are never perfect, and execution is never always perfect.

I don't use a belt. Do people get hurt while wearing a belt deadlifting?

the reason that squats and cleans for NFL players aren't higher risk: theyre not doing the full range of motion at anywhere near the same frequency as olympic/powerlifters/bodybuilders. doing a smaller range of motion allows them to maintain higher levels of muscle tension at the range of motion they need for their sport. if they go to deeper ranges of motion, then their muscles will become slacker even if it helps them stimulate muscle growth. when fatigue sets in, their muscles will become more limp as a result of doing those heavier lifts. this can be counter-acted with the right type of conditioning but it gets really hard and demands so much technical ability in a sport that already demands so much technical ability. its why the trap-bar deadlift, which while it can relieve certain stresses on the body, doesn't actually offer the benefits needed to avoid injury to these kinds of athletes. the injury risk doesn't actually come from deadlift form. it comes from the failure of the movement to transition properly into their sport. i actually think deadlifts when done properly, are very safe. most studies ive read indicate that the deadlift causes less injuries running. what isn't safe, is doing heavy deadlifts for building strength in conjunction with the high intensity sprint training that usain bolt would do. it would almost certainly cause injuries.

this is true for (most) football players, (most) basketball players (the highest jumpers in the NBA for example, are not the ones who do massive squats or have massive legs), soccer players, track and field athletes who do sprinting, long jump and high jump. there isn't really an alternative for the deadlift in the same way there are for power cleans and full squats except if you raise the bar off of a platform or something, which is probably what these athletes should be doing. i havent seen the video in a while, but im 99% sure robert orest was referring to people who have goals in these types of sports.

Agree that Robert's declaration was severely lacking context. He probably meant dumb people with terrible form trying to grind out PRs at RPE 9-10.

"There is no such thing as a bad exercise"
ATHLEAN-X: The upright row is KILLING your gains! It belongs in the iron graveyard. NEVER do this exercise! Awful! Elbow elevation with internal shoulder rotation, now that's a bad combination. No exceptions!

Rogan is pretty known in both health/fitness and mma community as being a notorious meathead. He has a PhD in bro science. I was surprised he brought layne in that one episode tho he respesented the evidence based niche well ✊🏻