FORWARD KNEE TRAVEL IN THE SQUAT: Optimizing Bar Path For The Lifter (Ft. Jake Noel) – OmarIsuf

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OmarIsuf February 23, 2017 - 2:03 am

Apologies for the audio but this is a good one. In this video today we take an advanced lifter with an almost 3x bodyweight squat and Jake works on fixing his knee pain. Through a bunch of assessments he is able to find a better squat pattern for Quentin that greatly reduces his knee pain.

There is a lot to take away from in this video. If you want to see more case study with lifters at Fortis, like this video and leave a comment below with what issue you want to see checked out!

NOTE: This video is a specific case for an individual. Jake isn't saying that everyone should squat like this. Knees over the toes is absolutely fine for most people. If you are suffering from knee issues however, this can become problematic!

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Tristan Mallaly February 23, 2017 - 3:52 pm

Max Aita promotes forward knee travel based on this recent post: https://www.instagram.com/p/BQTW53fjQD0/ – and personally if I really force my shins/knees forward just doing a bodyweight squat my knees "crack" significantly less compared to when I don't focus on pushing them forward.

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Official Dilf's (Dad's Into Living Fit) February 23, 2017 - 4:57 pm

LVD

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Aleksandar Lemic February 23, 2017 - 5:32 pm

omar i need your advice pls
i have a muscle imbalance
i have been working out mostly with dumbells and now my right side is taking over ,i cant progress bcs i am leaning on the right side during benc and cant do barbell work bcs i cant keep the bar streight
any help??
love your work and tnx

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Samir February 23, 2017 - 5:42 pm

peachboi shirts sold out… fuck.

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Victor L February 23, 2017 - 5:50 pm

11:07
Could it be because he racks the weight with his right leg?

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Dave Emerson February 23, 2017 - 5:55 pm

@OmarIsuf does the optimal recovery time needed between training sessions different between focuses of training? Would a strength-oriented training session require more recovery than a hypertrophy-oriented training session? I can't find much literature on the matter.

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MissAV February 23, 2017 - 6:15 pm

That girl's front squat in the background though 🙌🙌🙌

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Georg Dorn February 23, 2017 - 6:36 pm

here is what rippetoe says about bouncing (he explains the issue REALLY well)

We have already introduced the concept of the "bounce" out of the
bottom. Since it is accomplished with the hips, and with the part of the
brain that's thinking about the hips, this seems like a fine time to
discuss it. Once again, the bounce DOES NOT INVOLVE THE KNEE. It happens
when the hamstrings reach the limit of their normal range of motion due
to the slight forward motion of the knee and pronounced backward motion
of the hips. Remember: the pelvis is locked in position with the torso
by the lower back muscles, the hamstrings attach to the ischial
tuberosity at the bottom of the pelvis, and the pelvis tilits forward
with the torso as squat depth increases, thus stretching out the
hamstring. The bounce out of the bottom of the squat is essentially a
correct use of the stretch reflex inherent in any dynamic muscle
contraction. It is safe, it is correct, and it is necessary if heavy
weights are to be lifted. The only way it can hurt the knees is if the
hamstrings are relaxed at the bottom, which would result in the knees
traveling forward. If the hips are shoved back at the bottom, the
hamstrings will tighten, the knee will be protected, and power out of
the bottom is increased.

Obviously, "slight forward motion" is VERY individual since long femur guys need some form of knee travel to reach parallel. Imho, the coach taught him towards the right direction, but didnt make it clear was his goal was, aswell as not letting him do the movement with the bounce to check, if he was able to adapt his movement.

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d6 February 23, 2017 - 6:51 pm

Thank you @Omarlsuf ! Exactly my problem

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Roy Wardenaar February 23, 2017 - 6:58 pm

Jake can be so awkward, I love it ;p

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Kurisudo February 23, 2017 - 7:01 pm

His first set didn't look bad at all to me, it looked like he kept the bar pretty balanced over the midfoot. It seems like he fixed his forward knee travel by shoving his knees out a bit more in the latter set.

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ALDurr123 February 23, 2017 - 7:10 pm

Omar, thanks for providing this video. It was right on time as I'm having the exact same problem and couldn't think of what to do. I can't wait to get to the gym and try these things out. As usual, you provided useful information that was timely and helpful. Thanks brother!

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Bob Smith February 23, 2017 - 7:12 pm

Another Asian being quad dominant. Never seen that before.

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rbrosmer February 23, 2017 - 8:39 pm

One crazy trick to never hit depth again.

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bobthebuilder February 23, 2017 - 9:42 pm

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Eric Reyes February 23, 2017 - 10:36 pm

Any Youtubers want to support each?🤔

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Hugh Le February 23, 2017 - 11:53 pm

White guy with the creepy eyes is back!

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Bajsmannen Storpung February 24, 2017 - 12:27 am

Dude, I like your videos, but there are sound editing programs that will increase audio quality by magnitudes and it takes no time at all to learn 5 clicks to improve the quality by a lot. My laptop speakers already provide bad audio, so when the audio is like this, I skip them, more often than not.

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Jeremy Sevillano February 24, 2017 - 6:20 am

SHOUT OUT TO MY NIGGA Q!

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Peter Csigo February 24, 2017 - 6:28 am

This dude is a bulshit instructor.

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Hugo ! February 24, 2017 - 8:04 am

Pls make video on why the actual fuck I cannot keep even shoulder/elbow positioning during squats 😩

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Hillary Shusterman February 24, 2017 - 10:41 am

This is very VERY helpful. I've been having very similar issues with my glutes not firing appropriately in the squat, and I'm excited to implement these corrective exercises!

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nikesbeast February 24, 2017 - 7:46 pm

at the top of a squat.. do you have to roll pubic bone forward and stand straight?

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Avocado February 24, 2017 - 9:34 pm

It may be immature, but I laughed around 9:08 ish.

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TeamMadSodiums February 25, 2017 - 1:50 am

INB4 he starts getting called on depth now in the USAPL lol …

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Serafin Hikes February 25, 2017 - 11:40 am

nice video, I like the cueing and corrective mobility work

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Bowzer 1178 February 25, 2017 - 10:16 pm

FYI – I had trained with Jake in the past. He is a great trainer and very knowledgeable. He helped me get my squat and bench in check. Thanks alot. From Hot Chocolate.

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Bear Thangs February 25, 2017 - 11:08 pm

is that guzmah camera man?

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Naz February 26, 2017 - 1:18 am

I need a coach like this in my life, I have internal rotation of my hips and developed Femoral Anterior Glide Syndrome which is causing all type of pain and weird shit in my hips and lower back and keeping me from squatting. I am doing some of the exercises and massages to try and fix it that I found online but would feel way better if I had a coach or someone with experience that could help me in person.

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Allen Davis February 26, 2017 - 4:47 am

Good morning que is awesome! Thank you.

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LCaite February 28, 2017 - 2:47 pm

These videos are my life this man is a genius

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Ishaz February 28, 2017 - 7:09 pm

it gives only one good way to squat: the olympic way!

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Aaron Fitch February 28, 2017 - 11:00 pm

Hey man, I have very tight hip flexors affecting my form would love if you could check it out and give advice please

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iAmJeffReYY March 1, 2017 - 4:29 am

any jake noel video is gold. love the info

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Alejandra Prada March 3, 2017 - 8:52 pm

this was super helpful!! thank you so much 😀

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honeyclaypot March 6, 2017 - 3:45 pm

death to knee pain!! I'm a current victim on my way to recovery 🙂

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Kwa Nguyen March 6, 2017 - 11:13 pm

is it possible to avoid heavy squat lifting for gains/strength? I find its causing me more issues and injuries in my knees and hips as well . are there other machines are techniques that can replace this exercise?

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Hempflakes March 9, 2017 - 1:50 pm

10:50 those front squats tho

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Y K September 3, 2017 - 6:51 am

I go ATG all the time and my knees go over my toes i think when i do that.. how can i prevent blowing my knees out then?? And is it a mythe or is it real about that knee past toe rule is bad thing??

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AwesomO October 14, 2017 - 5:21 pm

nice

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J W October 19, 2017 - 10:52 pm

13 minutes of utter bullshit

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alaskaowned April 22, 2018 - 8:45 pm

"Do all this shit thats completely unnatural for your body because bar path > all." Ok dude. The kid has knee pain from squatting enough to get a 3x bodyweight squat. We are not machines…

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420MindMuscleConnection April 16, 2019 - 7:43 am

1:30 – He looks like an asian rapper named stupid young

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Smurfy702 May 25, 2019 - 9:33 am

Great content on a very common issue that doesn't get enough attention. Thanks

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TeamShadowmen September 14, 2020 - 1:41 am

Jake is the best!

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derukun March 24, 2021 - 5:25 pm

Uh oh, this video didn't really age well. Haha

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Eli Cho November 14, 2021 - 3:56 am

Just watched this today. Have the same issue with just my right knee. Gonna try this.

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james ian November 14, 2021 - 5:40 am

excellent keeping the bar over the mid foot, that's the really hard part knees not so difficult

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