Which Press is Best for Bigger Shoulders? (IRON FACE/OFF) – ATHLEAN-X™

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If you want to get big shoulders you have likely used shoulder presses as a staple exercise in your workout. That said, there are many different press variations and choosing the right one can not only help you to build bigger shoulders but keep them safe and healthy at the same time. In this video, I’m breaking down three shoulder press variations to help you decide which is best.

We start with one variation that doesn’t even make the cut; the behind the neck barbell press. This exercise is not advisable because of the awkward position it places your shoulder joint. The scapular plane demands that you have your arm angled slightly forward (about 45 degrees from the frontal plane). When you do the behind the neck press you are well out of this plane and causing a great strain on your shoulder capsule in the long run.

That said, we do have other variations that are better and that is what we are putting head to head here. The first of these is the seated dumbbell press. Some might think that there is an advantage to not performing this standing since you can keep the legs out of it. Not only is this not the case but as you will see, the legs actually become an advantage in the standing version of the exercise.

The bigger issue is that when you start to fatigue you lean back and wind up recruiting the muscles of the upper chest to help you lift the weights. While this wouldn’t normally be a bad thing, it also comes with the side effect of pressing your head into the back of the bench as a counterforce (which can easily lead to a neck strain) and also pins the shoulder blades against the bench which interferes with the normal scapulohumeral rhythm.

Any time you disrupt the movement contribution of the shoulder blades to the overhead press you are placing your shoulders in a position to be injured. For this reason we have to scrap this one from consideration as the best option in this iron face off of shoulder presses.

We can do either of the standing press variations. The problem with the barbell press however is that the barbell allows you to hide left to right imbalances and weaknesses while at the same time limiting the variety of the movement that can be achieved with a dumbbell. Also, forgetting to narrow up your grip on the overhead barbell press is going to gradually make your elbows drift back out of the scapular plane into the more unhealthy plane of the behind the neck press.

Given the dumbbells variability and the drop set capability of the push press option as well as the alternating dumbbell version when fatigue sets in, I would give the crown to the standing dumbbell press. This is the exercise I would do for shoulder presses if I could only do one. That said, a well designed program would incorporate many different variations of a shoulder press and program them at the right time for the right purpose.

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The Blue Eyed Devil June 1, 2021 - 6:21 pm

4:12 I was arcing the dumbbells the other way (leading wuth thumb).
I guess that's more a triceps activator and slightly more upper chest if on an incline? 🤔 so I'll start leading with the pinky now

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Graph this June 25, 2021 - 3:51 pm

What about a seated barbell press ?

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terry hennessey July 3, 2021 - 11:41 am

every time I need some help with a body part, jeff comes through.

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Matteo p July 6, 2021 - 2:16 pm

And what about arnold press?

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Priyansh Sharma July 9, 2021 - 11:28 am

6:39 thank me later

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ROBERT ADAMS July 16, 2021 - 10:43 pm

I always wondered why the old school Nautilus shoulder press machine had parallel handles- it's to put the shoulders in the same advantageous position as dumbbells use

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Edward Lopez July 17, 2021 - 8:23 am

Iron face off?!! The Ironman face movie?

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L Pren July 20, 2021 - 9:11 am

God bless you

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Stephen July 21, 2021 - 4:20 am

Everybody loves Raymond

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jody crocker July 23, 2021 - 3:34 am

Weird . I used to tweak my upper back/neck when I did standing DB press and its been fine since I started doing sitting DB press. Not sure why after watching this video

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Ω Ohm's Law Ω July 30, 2021 - 9:56 pm

Breathing is killing your gains

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Prinz Kalthasar Eternum Tenebris Mitternachtsstern August 3, 2021 - 3:31 pm

really helped me alot

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Tiếng Anh Bồi - Vinglish August 4, 2021 - 8:54 am

you are wrong. I am a teacher

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Elliot Magic August 14, 2021 - 6:37 pm

Thanks for all your vids. They all have been so helpful .

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mark seniel August 15, 2021 - 7:11 pm

Sir..is there any difference between the shoulder press you demonstrate compare to military dumbell press?

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Abdullah Ali August 25, 2021 - 3:40 pm

standing DB press

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Anthony Cable September 5, 2021 - 11:37 am

Mr Cavalier is a wonderful instructor; lots of info given in an easy to understand, no nonsense way. Thank you

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ansh aggarwal September 7, 2021 - 4:52 pm

jeff- shoulders "u kinda need em"
me- yeah sure

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Eddy James September 8, 2021 - 11:40 am

Yeeeeehhh, but standing dumbbell press vs Arnold press?

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Extradimensional September 9, 2021 - 8:13 pm

And don't eat any food that contain any calories or fat or sugar😬…stick to a dust and water diet👻

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Quirk 1122 September 13, 2021 - 2:13 pm

I honestly disagree, i much prefeer the barbell ohp because of stability. For some reason, when i lift two dumbells it requires more attention to lift them and keep them in balance. While with the barbell press i only worry about the one bar. Great video though.

Also its alot easier to load up heavy weight with barbell ohp because its fixated in a rack so you dont have to swing up two weights before every set.

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Bruce Johnston September 14, 2021 - 12:55 pm

great information

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Time Blood September 15, 2021 - 12:03 pm

me as a beginner in the gym, sharing my wisedom thanks to this guy.

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Data Geek October 7, 2021 - 5:22 am

can we do both standing dumbbell press and barbell press?

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chris's life October 16, 2021 - 10:44 pm

Remember breathing is killing your gains

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Rence Fabian October 17, 2021 - 2:52 am

This is my go to exercise for shoulders. Standing DB press. You need to make sure your form is ELITE before going up weight. Now, I’m capable of going 60lbs for 6 reps.

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Javier Torres October 17, 2021 - 9:05 pm

How can I build my chest I joined a gym will it take me months or year's to see results

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Charles Rogers October 22, 2021 - 4:39 am

Thanks jeff

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Charles Rogers October 22, 2021 - 4:42 am

Thank you for all your knowledge. I feel a lot better and much more naive or ignorant when I have done my old routines as opposed to how I re-vamp them. I have seen much better results in such a shorter time.

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Hrishabh October 25, 2021 - 10:55 am

3:02
Jeff must have punished Raymond for arriving DRUNK at the gym.. 😂

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Brian Downhouse October 29, 2021 - 7:46 pm

Seated dumbell every time

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charles fountain November 7, 2021 - 3:22 pm

Why so much controversy over the shoulder muscles? There should (ought to…) be a simplistic approach that has worked for the last fifty years for thousands of body builders that has consistently produced results… Lets skinny it down to 3-5 of the 'VERY Best SAFE' ones to use with barbells or dumbbells or whatever… Thanks for paying attention to this possibly (hope not..) over simplified view… Want to stop experimenting: start getting results instead…Somebody knows the TRUTH on this – lets open the knowledge treasure chest and get the real jewels out in the open once and for all…

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Curtis Barley November 21, 2021 - 9:49 am

Iv had problems progressing my shoulder strength and committed to the barbell press. A have my hand positioning bang on but as I fatigue my back arches horribly. Something iv been struggling to avoid. After watching this I think it maybe my weak core letting me down. Any suggestions or am I way off base?

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RealLifeFitness November 22, 2021 - 11:03 am

great video. I've been doing seated DB presses the last month and something felt off and you perfectly described everything I subconsciously disliked about the exercise. Thanks a lot.

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Dominic Miller December 3, 2021 - 9:16 pm

Barbel press, not even a question if you had to pick one

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Nick White December 20, 2021 - 8:47 pm

Noooooooooooooo!

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YT December 29, 2021 - 4:07 pm

Ok then how are we supposed to get 100 pound dumbbells into position if do the standing dumbbell press? Anyone?

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Wookietown Hero December 31, 2021 - 4:14 am

jeff explains complicated things so well

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scott d January 5, 2022 - 1:19 pm

Barbell press adds mass for me

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